{"id":838,"date":"2023-11-08T17:34:52","date_gmt":"2023-11-08T17:34:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/financeify.ca\/?p=838"},"modified":"2023-11-08T17:34:52","modified_gmt":"2023-11-08T17:34:52","slug":"seg-fund-chargebacks-conflict-of-interest-or-a-good-substitute-for-dsc","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/financeify.ca\/index.php\/2023\/11\/08\/seg-fund-chargebacks-conflict-of-interest-or-a-good-substitute-for-dsc\/","title":{"rendered":"Seg Fund Chargebacks: Conflict of Interest or a Good Substitute for DSC?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-post-featured-image\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-post-featured-image__wrapper\"><\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<p>As regulators consider charging upfront commissions on segregated funds and call for a ban on deferred sales fees, advisors and lifecos say chargebacks are a more customer-friendly alternative to DSC.<\/p>\n<p>The Canadian Council of Insurance Regulators (CCIR) and the Canadian Insurance Services Regulatory Organization (CISRO) continue to evaluate &#8220;the risks and benefits of upfront fee sales charge options,&#8221; including chargebacks, a CCIR spokesman said.<\/p>\n<p>The groups are reviewing submissions made during last year&#8217;s consultation on a ban on upfront commissions, which ended on November 7, and plan to &#8220;reengage&#8221; with stakeholders in 2023.<\/p>\n<p>Similarly, the Ontario Financial Services Regulatory Authority (FSRA) will &#8220;continue to work on a policy position&#8221; on origination fees &#8211; including chargebacks &#8211; for segmented funds later this year, FSRA head of insurance conduct Erica Hiemstra said during a panel discussion earlier this month.<\/p>\n<p>Chargebacks are better for seg fund clients than DSCs, Asher Tward, vice president of estate planning at TriDelta Financial, said in an interview.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIf you sell a product (with advisor chargeback) on the life side, it better be a good product because if two months from now the customer finds out they were sold something terrible and cancels it, you&#8217;re going to have to pay back your entire commission,\u201d Tward said .  \u201cSo the chargeback structure is exactly what it should be, because the advisor should take full responsibility for this client.  If you want to keep them for a while, you have to put in the work.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Chargebacks shouldn&#8217;t pose a risk to an advisor unless the client wants to move the money within a few years of purchasing the seg fund \u2014 to cover an emergency or buy a home, for example, said Toronto advisor Brian Shumak.  An advisor who intends to sell the wrong segmented fund to a client &#8220;for a fee will actually do so regardless of available parameters,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p>Shumak added that clients with a time horizon of less than three years should generally not invest in segment funds at all.<\/p>\n<p>Advisors must be compensated for their services, &#8220;but there also has to be responsibility behind that compensation,&#8221; Tward said, adding that he favors a chargeback model in which the percentage the advisor must repay gradually reaches zero over time.<\/p>\n<p>If a client redeems a segmented fund a year after purchase because the fund &#8220;drastically underperformed the market,&#8221; the advisor will be subject to a chargeback, so &#8220;the onus is on you to make good choices about the right investments for this client and make sure they are eats,&#8221; said Tward.<\/p>\n<p>However, a potential problem with chargebacks is that advisers may &#8220;encourage clients to invest or remain invested in segregated fund contracts when that choice is not in the clients&#8217; best interests,&#8221; a CCIR spokesman said.<\/p>\n<p>Chargebacks can also create a conflict of interest because some advisers may recommend segmented funds that pay the most upfront commissions rather than those that best serve the client&#8217;s interests, FAIR Canada said in its submission to the CCIR and CISRO consultation.<\/p>\n<p>BMO Insurance responded in a statement that a ban on both DSC and chargebacks would pose an &#8220;existential&#8221; threat by limiting consumer access to segmented funds &#8220;as many advisors can be expected to exit or not enter the market.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Allowing advisor fees to be charged back ensures that investors &#8220;with fewer assets have access to advisors and advice in an economic model that is sustainable for both consumer and advisor,&#8221; Canada Life&#8217;s note added.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe use chargebacks (for seg funds) because we believe it is a good alternative to (DSC),\u201d Ali Ghiassi, vice president of industry and government relations at Canada Life, said at the Advocis Regulatory Affairs Symposium in October, adding that seg funds have &#8220;longer tails&#8221; 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